Curse

kvndoom · Mar 18, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by IIIPowerIII

Just make Prot Spirit/Bond Other Target Only... That not hard...

But that would horrendously break pvp / gvg. Watch some observer mode and see how a monk fares with 2 frenzied hammer warriors breathing down his neck. It ain't pretty. Losing 10% max health and losing 120+ health in one swing is a huge difference.

I farm with my monk sometimes, but it's not really fun for me, because I hate having to remember to cast a spell every 15 or 20 seconds just to stay alive. Then again, it's the only way to solo some areas, so it has its purpose.

Far as I'm concerned, let them have Talus Chute. Let them have all the bloody raven staffs they want. The only market segment they'll have control over is wood planks.

ange1 · Mar 18, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

they probably just sell them straight for gold...

Bob of Maple Ave · Mar 19, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

I say fix the ele's before anything. Monks can get onto just about any team, whereas ele's are so gimped you don't have the option at all (for farming SF, FoW, the Tombs, or UW). 100-150k a day? Unreal. The fact that monks (and necros) can solo so many maps, and ele's can't (as well as other classes that I can't speak for) reeks of imbalance. There are bigger fish to fry before this one.

This isn't even a complaint to me. It's like listening to the rich complain that their garage isn't large enough to hold their 17th Aston Martin, while I'm just trying to keep the tire inflated on my unicycle.

Cottage Pie · Mar 19, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Ultimately these farmers are fulfilling a demand created by the 'players' of the game. Don't attack the farmers. Blame people who pay 50k for a sundering sword hilt, or 80k for a 30hp pommel, blame the people who lack reason and have become item-centric in a game with really dull items (just compare GWs items to other games, it hits you instantly that GWs is just lacking so bad, and hell...nobody gives a toss if you have FoW or a Godly Sword, they know and you know you 'ebayed' for it and suddenly you feel like a fool, you payed sums of real life money for....nothing. It's like wanking and you open your eyes and the illusion of coolness, the fantasy just falls apart as you realise some bot master slave driver is getting rich of your white-man inferiority complex trying to compensate with computer game items. Oh, the plague of the MMORPG, suck-sucking all those losers in. Get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing real.

O_o

The chinese farmers have done nothing as much as people like to blame them, and that is the truth of it. Who must we blame, if blame we must? It's the Wammo Lord of Excalibur with his Godly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-extension 30hp 10/10 sundering 15^50 fellblade, it's the 'Warrior' (hey not like he ever fights, too busy looking for teh 1337 weps) with FoW armour after 2 weeks of playing. People who are buying all their money in the millions upon billions off ebay etc...yeah blame the players - they are the reason for the bots to exist. Just go to the high end forum, mating-ground of the ebayer, watch as established merchants - who know the score - just laugh and bid, knowing that an ebayer will bid even higher.

It's pathetic.

Transluecent51 · Mar 19, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

People who Ebay anything in GW off the net are the ones to blame. Every single person who has bought money off Ebay. If that demand wasnt alive there would be no work for the people who make that money. Cant blame them, they just want a peice of the economy. Blame the idiots who think they NEED 2 mill. in gold to try and show off or the ones who simply are too mentally gimped to make gold which drops off almost everything, themselves.

Saider maul · Mar 19, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

when i say block background progs i mean block them from running thru the game.

Misa · Mar 19, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie

Ultimately these farmers are fulfilling a demand created by the 'players' of the game. Don't attack the farmers. Blame people who pay 50k for a sundering sword hilt, or 80k for a 30hp pommel, blame the people who lack reason and have become item-centric in a game with really dull items (just compare GWs items to other games, it hits you instantly that GWs is just lacking so bad, and hell...nobody gives a toss if you have FoW or a Godly Sword, they know and you know you 'ebayed' for it and suddenly you feel like a fool, you payed sums of real life money for....nothing. It's like wanking and you open your eyes and the illusion of coolness, the fantasy just falls apart as you realise some bot master slave driver is getting rich of your white-man inferiority complex trying to compensate with computer game items. Oh, the plague of the MMORPG, suck-sucking all those losers in. Get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing real.

O_o

The chinese farmers have done nothing as much as people like to blame them, and that is the truth of it. Who must we blame, if blame we must? It's the Wammo Lord of Excalibur with his Godly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-extension 30hp 10/10 sundering 15^50 fellblade, it's the 'Warrior' (hey not like he ever fights, too busy looking for teh 1337 weps) with FoW armour after 2 weeks of playing. People who are buying all their money in the millions upon billions off ebay etc...yeah blame the players - they are the reason for the bots to exist. Just go to the high end forum, mating-ground of the ebayer, watch as established merchants - who know the score - just laugh and bid, knowing that an ebayer will bid even higher.

It's pathetic.

The best post I have read on this forum.

Manic Smile · Mar 19, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by Mavrik

Want to stop the 55 monk? remove everything that drops the monk's health to 55 as well as simply nerf all the great skills a 55 monk uses... why hell just remove monks all together... who needs em since the build is obviously being exploited... geez....

btw I was sarcastic

remove offhand

make redundant runes have no effect at all

gg 55 monk

Lets Get to Healing · Mar 19, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Manic Smile

remove offhand

make redundant runes have no effect at all

gg 55 monk

Its a quest item not a glitch/bug. SoA axe anyone?

Get rid of 20% rockmolders.

Get rid of HoD swords.

danakin · Mar 19, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Vamp touch/ Vamp gaze. Buh bye 55. Goes straight though all protection prayers (even Mark of Protection, etc). Think it could be bugged, but I'm not complaining.

Savio · Mar 19, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by danakin

Vamp touch/ Vamp gaze. Buh bye 55. Goes straight though all protection prayers (even Mark of Protection, etc). Think it could be bugged, but I'm not complaining.

It's not bugged; lifesteal is not considered damage by the game, and thus ignores anything that activates upon "damage".

Fluffyx · Mar 19, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cottage Pie

Ultimately these farmers are fulfilling a demand created by the 'players' of the game. Don't attack the farmers. Blame people who pay 50k for a sundering sword hilt, or 80k for a 30hp pommel, blame the people who lack reason and have become item-centric in a game with really dull items (just compare GWs items to other games, it hits you instantly that GWs is just lacking so bad, and hell...nobody gives a toss if you have FoW or a Godly Sword, they know and you know you 'ebayed' for it and suddenly you feel like a fool, you payed sums of real life money for....nothing. It's like wanking and you open your eyes and the illusion of coolness, the fantasy just falls apart as you realise some bot master slave driver is getting rich of your white-man inferiority complex trying to compensate with computer game items. Oh, the plague of the MMORPG, suck-sucking all those losers in. Get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing real.

O_o

The chinese farmers have done nothing as much as people like to blame them, and that is the truth of it. Who must we blame, if blame we must? It's the Wammo Lord of Excalibur with his Godly RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-extension 30hp 10/10 sundering 15^50 fellblade, it's the 'Warrior' (hey not like he ever fights, too busy looking for teh 1337 weps) with FoW armour after 2 weeks of playing. People who are buying all their money in the millions upon billions off ebay etc...yeah blame the players - they are the reason for the bots to exist. Just go to the high end forum, mating-ground of the ebayer, watch as established merchants - who know the score - just laugh and bid, knowing that an ebayer will bid even higher.

It's pathetic.

Is this sarcasm, or are you being serious. So, let me get this straight its not the person whos selling these items for real cash its the person buying it? Of course they create the market, but whos supplying it. And especially supplying it with botted players. You cannot deny that many bots farmers are bots. Go look in droks int if you dont believe it. If you dont think that a solo farmer, farming some of the most powerful monsters in the game and keeping drops that are meant for an 8 man team I cant see why you would thing that solo farming is fair. For god sakes play the game like everyone else, the real losers are the people who spend hours farming by themselves then try to show off their "godly" equips. Everyone knows that the only people who have cash in this game are the buyers or the farmers no wonder the market is so lopsided.

Mimi Miyagi · Mar 19, 2006, 09:38 AM // 09:38

I used to farm, a lot. Mainly solo-ing tengu for runes, back before they nerfed at all.

The sad part - farming monsters like the tengu was the ONLY realistic way a player could reliably unlock runes, especially the most rare ones like Superior Absorption and Vigor. How many Superior Absorption runes have people found in normal play? In all the normal play I've done, I've seen ONE superior vigor drop - and it wasn't even for me. Never an absorption. People go nuts trying to get green items in Tombs or SF, yet you'll never find a rune drop there (at least I never have).

The game itself promotes farming, by it's drop system. I've been playing since release, and probably had two black dyes drop for me ever. Want to stop the ebaying and 55 monk? Increase drop rates of the better items, so that the market gets flooded, and prices drop.

Until that's done, we're left with what we have now. ANet can continue to nerf areas with stripping/degen monsters, but when real money is involved, people will always find a way to farm.

Ensign · Mar 19, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Attacking the supply side of a problem only makes for feel-good headlines in the news. The demand side is the driving force behind every market, and if you want any actual changes that's what needs to be addressed.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 55 monk go away, but not because of ebay gold or anything along those lines. In my mind the 55 monk is a sum of everything wrong with PvE in this game, any any meaningful fix to it needs to start with that template.

Peace,
-CxE

olydog · Mar 19, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Ok..I've been running a 55 monk since early last summer and have almost 5 million xp..I can say from experience that the 55 monk is nothing like it use to be. There are so many places you can't farm anymore(UW, Elona, Ettins..etc..etc.) I just don't get the whole thing about nerfing solo farming and nerfing 55 monks..they just happen to be the best at soloing(warriors can be just as potent cuz i've adapted already). I've been a 55monk/farming advocate since I started. Lets be honest here, how many superior vigors and superior absorption runes have you got while doing mission and quests ONLY..I feel safe in saying very few people get these runes to drop during the course of the game....so you have to farm to just be able to buy them.

Another thing is if you don't like to farm then don't do it...but don't put it down for the rest of us(well I do at least) that enjoy doing it. If you can't beat em...JOIN em. You can just as easily make a 55 monk as everyone else, it really isn't that hard!

And last but not least..it's a dam game for peets sake...and whats the big deal, you would think that it's real life or something by the way people say it is ruining the whole world!

If you want help making/building a 55 monk just get a hold of me in game...I've helped many people with it so far.

olydog · Mar 19, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

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The game itself promotes farming, by it's drop system. I've been playing since release, and probably had two black dyes drop for me ever. Want to stop the ebaying and 55 monk? Increase drop rates of the better items, so that the market gets flooded, and prices drop.

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I had the same thoughts...it wasn't til i started to farm that I actually got some superior vigors and sup absorptions.....something really needs to be done about the drop rate of sup runes...I mean who wants to finish the whole game and still not be able to use a sup vigor or sup absorption...with my warrior i didn't have either one til i was almost done with every mission. To me that is just stupid and not very well thought out.

Rancour · Mar 19, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Attacking the supply side of a problem only makes for feel-good headlines in the news. The demand side is the driving force behind every market, and if you want any actual changes that's what needs to be addressed.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 55 monk go away, but not because of ebay gold or anything along those lines. In my mind the 55 monk is a sum of everything wrong with PvE in this game, any any meaningful fix to it needs to start with that template.

Peace,
-CxE

Quoted for truth and being totally my opinion. Especially the last part about the monks.

Alcazanar · Mar 19, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

there is nothing wrong with 55 monks
whats wrong is a bounch of asian
people missusing the builds and
makes bots but hey thats the
way the world are...

it gets worse when you get Mo/Rt

studentochaos · Mar 19, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Increasing supply when demand stays the same will drop price certainly. However, Anet has rare drops for a reason.

This game is not a level grind, it is a vanity grind. Sup absorbtion and Sup vigor don't mean much (in comparison to the major versions) for PvE in reality. But, for Pvp that edge is alot more signifigant. If Anet wanted this to be an important edge (as in make Pve important for Pvp play), they would have made it hard to get those runes in Pvp, but they didn't, actually the faction required is easy to get even if you only play in CA. So why make it hard for PvE? Answer: To give you something to work for. Lots of people actually work for their fissure armor. Those who buy gold off the internet are not actually hurting anyone. They are merely wasting real world dollars to feel pretty in the not real world.

I hear people talk about the market doing X or Y all the time. What exactly do you mean? Rare skins and "perfect" weapon mods for Pve characters have no effect on the level of play and do not have a signifigant impact on whether you will beat any mission (and since faction unlocking is easy, there is no excuse to say you need it for HA). The +30 mod is so vastly higher in price then +29 because it is A. Rarer and B. Looks fancier when you show your friend in a trade screen so you are willing to bid higher for it (if the price was actually too high no buyers would appear and price would drop naturally). In Pvp I would want that one hp, but not for Pve. Good thing a perfect +30 sword hilt costs 2000 faction. (Follow this logic to its final extreme and you will find out why Anet nerfs drop places. It is too easy and they do want you to work for it and push your farmer limits.)

I do farm for vanity items and equipment. But, I put in hours for it and enjoyed my time (I team farm with friends and my girlfriend, solo is too boring and antisocial for me). Sure some other guy ebayed his fissure armor, he may even enjoy that vanity item, but not nearly as much as I enjoy mine. Hard work finding rewards can bring pleasure. Those who circumvent the work aspect find a lesser pleasure.

(As a sub note there are a handful of items in Pve that can't be found in Pvp. I would theorize this is because Anet does want the Pvp and Pve people mixing and doing both. The fact that they are creating guild alliances expressly to further push for this mixing would suggest this point isn't out in left field.)

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

I'd just like to say that I believe that 55 builds are just part of the game (as IWAY was). There has been no "55 nerfing" (for the last time as I hate having to repeat myself). ArenaNet doesn't "hate" 55'ers. They simply put the scarabs in the desert because as they said, "spilt blood" attracted them. The area was simply over-farmed. There are plenty of other areas that are MUCH more profitable than the trolls outside of droks. You just have to look carefully (or visit the monk forum once in awhile) and you will find more locations; harder and more profitable locations that are just as fast. For me, the trolls outside of droks yield golds RARELY and purples every other run or so (so basicly mostly whites) not to mention that in the long run, you are only earning about 1.2-1.8k per run unless you are power leveling someone while farming. That doesn't seem very profitable to me. Just my input. Flame away as always.